[ This article was first published in the May, 2007, issue of
Larry’s Final Cut Pro Newsletter. Click here to subscribe. ]
There are three questions I get asked all the time:
The first two are already covered in articles in my library (Click the question to read related article.) However, this last one I haven’t really addressed. So, here is a quick checklist you can use to solve a dropped frame problem.
In general, dropped frame issues are caused by a hard disk that is too slow to keep up with the video format you are using.
Here’s an article that provides an overview of hard disk speeds compared to video data rates.
NOTE: By the way, if terms like RAID 0 or RAID 1 confuse you, read this short explanation of how RAIDS are defined.
System Setup Issues
Operational Fixes
Herb Issacs writes:
Why do you say not to use an internal disk to capture? Isn’t the internal bus faster than firewire input?
This was amplified by comments from Trent Anderson:
I frequently get dropped frames, and the error message at the bottom in red says, RT Extreme has determined that your hard drive is too slow, please increase the speed of the hard drive. Well, it is 7200 RPM, and I don’t see how I can get a faster one.
I notice that you said to not save to an INTERNAL hard drive. It would seem to me that having those things set to an External hard drive, via Firewire, would be even slower than going to an internal hd.???
And from Ben Balser:
Reading the newsletter, and in avoiding dropped frames you say, “2. Don’t use an internal drive to capture media.” Why not? It’s the most efficient and best method to capture without dropped frames. I don’t understand why you mention this. There must be something I’m not aware of.
Larry replies: Herb, Trent and Ben – thanks for pointing this out. I stated this poorly. What I meant is not to capture to your internal boot disk because it doesn’t have the ability to service the operating system, all running applications and still feed media reliably over time. It isn’t an issue of bus speed, it’s an issue of contention, rotation speed, and priorities. Complicating matters is that most laptops spin their hard disks slowly to save battery life.
An internal, second drive is perfectly acceptable.
UPDATE – Dec. 2007
I’ve recently learned that the Canon XL-1, and perhaps other Canon cameras, must not be directly connected to a FireWire drive. The chip set the camera uses does not communicate properly with the drive, causing dropped frame errors. This is a Canon problem, not a hard disk problem.
The only known solution is to add a PCI-based FireWire card to provide a second FireWire bus (if you have a tower) or to capture to the internal drive of the computer (if you have an iMac or laptop), then copy the files after capture to your media drive. It is never a good idea to edit video files stored on your boot drive.
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26 Responses to Solving Dropped Frame Errors
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@Flawlessdray says:
December 25, 2012 at 7:09 pm
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Kevin says:
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September 24, 2015 at 10:24 am
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September 24, 2015 at 11:35 am
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March 22, 2016 at 8:20 pm
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Larry says:
March 23, 2016 at 10:57 am
Newer Comments →Sorry but the dropped frames problem is solved very easily…its a compression issue. its compressing in h264. Same compression as older quality/frame rates. change it and wa-laah. No more dropped frames. Guaranteed.
sorry, you change it by going into sequence, settings and most likely your compression rate is default at h.264. Change it to motion jpeg a. No dropped frames, no lost quality. Simply go back after you change it and render. http://www.flawlessfilmz.com All your multimedia needs under one roof.
Thank you @flawlessdray! That solved the problem. I was trying to figure this out for hours and ever the Apple website couldn’t help. Thanks!
I know this thread is, like, sooo 3 to 8 years ago, but I work for a tiny npo with a tiny budget and am stuck editing nice fancy footage on an old FCP 6 machine, and this motion jpeg a trick just made my life SO MUCH BETTER. Thank you, @flawlessdray. Thank you.
Yay!
Michelle, its because there are folks like you working on older systems that we leave all these older posts online and accessible. Happy we could help.
Larry
How about importing and then editing 4K video captured on a iPhone 6s Plus. To avoid dropped frames, what must one do and what must one avoid? I heard capturing to RAID was to be avoided, but RAID is faster than a single drive. Got a Retina 5K iMac with 512GB flash storage. Got new 4K editing iMovie v10.1 and Final Cut Pro X. Got a Blu-ray burner for HD video. Thinking about external storage.
Bradley:
Whoever told you to avoid using a RAID did not know what they were talking about.
Transfer (i.e. copy) the files from your phone to a folder on your RAID. Then, import the files from that folder into your NLE. Always store media externally – because the files are so big – don’t use your internal drive because you’ll fill it too quickly.
Larry
Larry….. T H A N K YO U !!!!!!!!!!!! this tip to change the sequence setting to apple jpeg literally saved me the most important job of my life. Constant dropped frames on a brand new IMac left me bewildered. After staying up all night and near tears…I found this and the problem seems to be solved. I don’t even have words to express my appreciation! You are appreciated more then you know brother!
Hi Larry,
I am having video frames dropped during playback. I am using FCPX 10.2.3 I will be more than happy if you could help me.
Yunus:
Dropped frames are almost always caused by a hard disk that is too slow or too full. Look there first.
Larry