Product Review: Drobo 5D

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NOTE: I am a firm believer in ethical product reviews. For an explanation of how I review products, click here. Drobo has been a past sponsor of my Digital Production Buzz podcasts. I also currently own a Drobo.

I have eagerly looked forward to the Thunderbolt-based Drobo 5D since it was first announced last July. This week, the good folks at Drobo offered to send me a 5D for a few days to review, and I’ve spent the last two days working with it.

For my testing, I used a one-year old MacBook Pro with 8 GB of RAM and OS 10.8.2. I used both the AJA System Test utility and Activity Monitor to measure data speeds.

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

The Drobo 5D is an easy-to-use, expandable RAID-5-like device that provides capacity, data protection, and performance sufficient for almost every video editing task. It is not the fastest RAID available, but for most editors, it doesn’t need to be.

BACKGROUND

I’ve used and reviewed Drobo storage for several years. My first Drobo was the original FireWire, 5-bay unit; which I’ve since given to my son.

Currently, my company uses a maxed-out DroboElite, which I purchased about a year ago. This is attached to our network switch via iSCSI and accessed via Ethernet as network-attached storage (NAS). While I am grateful for the 18 TB of online storage space, the performance of the DroboElite over the network is too slow for video editing.

NOTE: Video editing is THE most taxing task we can do on a computer. It demands fast computers, fast storage, and extremely efficient system components to handle the massive amounts of data flowing through the system in real-time. However, the heart to efficient video editing lies in the storage system.

Drobo is justifiably famous for manufacturing gear that is easy to use, expandable, and allows you to mix-and-match drives as your resources allow. It is impossible to overstate how unique this flexibility is in the market today. All other RAID vendors require you to decide total capacity when you buy the RAID, and any upgrades require getting all new hardware.

NOTE: The Drobo 5D is similar to a RAID-5. Read this for a description of what RAID levels mean, as well as other general definitions. Drobo uses a technology called “BeyondRAID,” which you can learn about here.

SETUP

The Drobo 5D arrived in two boxes: one containing the Drobo itself, and the other containing the hard drives to go in it. However, I didn’t need the drives as I had five 2 TB Seagate drives just sitting around after a recent upgrade to the DroboElite, so I used my own drives for the test.

With the exception of Apple, no one understands how to make technology friendly and accessible like Drobo. From the nice cloth bag containing the unit, to the casual writing style of the Quick Start Guide, Drobo wants to do more than make this hardware a part of your computer system; Drobo wants to be your friend. After wading though far too many opaque setup guides, I like this approach. Anything that decreases my stress in setting up a new piece of gear is a good thing.

There are exactly two cables to connect: power and Thunderbolt. It is impossible to screw up these connections. However, I would really like a twist-lock power connector to keep it from accidentally disconnecting simply because the cord got bumped, which happened to me during testing. The power supply is a small black box that sits on the floor.

The front cover is attached magnetically, which I like a lot. Pull the front cover off and slide in the drives. The screen shot below shows the working end of the Drobo.

NOTE: Someone was paying attention to fan noise. The unit is not soundless, but it is quiet and two people in the office commented that the fan noise had a pleasing sound to it. The Thunderbolt cable is 6 feet long, so you can move the unit somewhat away from your work area.

NOTE: While the Drobo 5D can work with half-height drives, Drobo does not recommend using them. They work fine, but they don’t fit snugly. Also, while full-height drives are manufactured to meet a common design standard, that is not true of half-height drives. Some hard drive vendors move the positions of the data connectors. My suggestion is to stay with standard, full-height, SATA drives; which can be found everywhere.

Drobo provides a very clear, simple, QuickStart guide to get you started in the right direction. Drives slide in easily, cables attach quickly, and the SSD card goes into the bottom without any problems.

Setup is truly simple. If I was starting with a clean system, I would be up and running in about five minutes after opening the box.

However, for me, once everything was connected and powered on, the problems started. The unit was not recognized by my Mac. Red lights next to all drives. Dead. Sigh…

This pointed out three valuable lessons:

  1. Always read the Quick Start Guide (which I did, by the way).
  2. Always work with the latest software designed for your storage hardware.
  3. The quality of a company can best be judged in how they handle problems.

I contacted tech support and over the course of the next 24 hours, I learned the following:

  1. Because I was an existing Drobo owner, I was running an outdated version of the free Drobo Dashboard, which is the utility used to setup and control all Drobo devices. Because the Dashboard was out of date, it could not find the Drobo 5D, so the Drobo would not mount to my Mac’s desktop.
  2. The Drobo had outdated firmware, which was easy to download and fix using the Dashboard, once we got the right version of the Dashboard installed.
  3. The hard drives I was using were formatted for a different Drobo and needed to be reformatted to run on this Drobo. Again, easy, once we got the Dashboard running.
  4. The SSD drive shipped with the Drobo was bad. That would not affect getting the system started, but did impact overall performance. Drobo sent me a replacement via FedEx that arrived the next day.

Once we figured out the problem was outdated Dashboard software, getting everything else to work took a couple of minutes. (In fact, during my testing, I added drives, reformatted the Drobo, and reset the entire system in a matter of 20-30 seconds.)

Personally, I love blinking lights and the Drobo has four sets:

WHAT’S THIS SSD THING?

One of the new buzz words in storage is “hybrid-drive.” This is a combination of an SSD drive for speed and spinning hard disks for low-cost and large storage. As illustrated here, Drobo has added an SSD card slot to the 5D; specifically this is the 60 GB card shipped with the unit I received for testing.

SSD drives provide a SIGNIFICANT performance boost if you are working with small files over and over, or doing lots of database transactions. Files stored on the SSD are accessed FAR faster than files on the hard disk.

What Drobo has done is added intelligence to deciding which files to store on the SSD. Files you use more are automatically moved to the SSD. This is the same concept as Apple’s Fusion drive in that it speeds things up automatically. There’s no configuration and nothing to adjust.

The chip is stored in the bottom of the Drobo and can easily be installed by the end user, as you can see in the photo above. It can just as easily be updated as larger sizes become available.

If you are buying the Drobo 5D, buy the card. You’ll see why in a moment.

BIG NOTE: Because of the BeyondRAID technology used by Drobo, while adding the SSD card in the bottom slot definitely speeds performance, replacing the standard hard drives in the unit with SSD drives will not significantly improve performance. For the best balance between performance and cost, configure the Drobo with the SSD card and standard hard drives.

ONE OTHER COOL THING

Using the Drobo Dashboard (Settings > General) you can set whether you want the Drobo to protect your data in case one drive fails (the equivalent of RAID-5) or two drives fail (the equivalent of RAID-6).

Plus, you can determine how long the drive will wait before it spins down. For best performance set this to Never. For best energy savings, set this to 15 minutes. And, you can determine how bright the lights are.

TESTED PERFORMANCE

One of the benefits to a Drobo is that you can start with only two drives – though I strongly recommend starting with three because the speed benefit is significant – then add more drives as your needs and budget allow. This expandability is one of the hallmarks of Drobo.

Drobo has published performance specs here:
http://www.drobo.com/how-it-works/performance-professional.php

I decided to run three tests, using two configurations:

What I did for each test:

Empty hard drives are the fastest. The fuller a hard disk gets, the slower it goes. So, I wanted the Drobo to be empty to test for the maximum speed.

My expectations were that I would see about 100 MB/second of data transfer speed per installed drive. As you can see from the table below, the Drobo fell far short of my expectations.

Write Without SSD Write With SSD Read Without SSD Read With SSD
3 Drives 110 MB/sec 264 MB/sec 132 MB/sec 158 MB/sec
4 Drives 133 MB/sec 183 MB/sec 83 MB/sec 95 MB/sec
5 Drives 190 MB/sec 202 MB/sec 154 MB/sec 180 MB/sec

Two notes: 1. Speed is highly dependent upon file size, keep reading to learn more. 2.There is “measured” performance and “real-world” performance, which I’ll talk about that in the next section.

NOTE: The SSD made the biggest difference in speeding recording to the hard disk. Unless you are working with the same media over and over, the SSD won’t make much difference in playback speed.

This screen shot shows the results of five hard drives running without the SSD card. Notice how the speeds improve as file size increases.

NOTE: I modified the layout of the test results to fit into a smaller space. The left column indicates the file size being transferred. The center column shows the Read (playback) speed for that file size. The right column shows the Write (record) speed for that file size.

This screen shot shows the results from five drives with the SSD card. The difference is striking.

I was also struck by the difference in speeds as the file size changed. In this screen shot, I’m using five drives with the SSD. Notice that while write (recording) speed remains relatively constant, the read speed dramatically improves as the file size gets larger. (This is a graph of the numbers displayed in the screen shot above.)

This tends to suggest that because video editing works with larger files, you should expect better performance. Still, I was surprised and disappointed that the measured speeds were far less than I was expecting.

NOTE: By way of comparison, a FireWire 800 drive has a speed around 85 MB/second. A two-drive G-Technology RAID-0 (which has no data redundancy) measures around 275 MB/second.

UPDATE – 12/8/12

One other thing I noticed after I wrote this review. When I connect both a Drobo and a G-Technology Thunderbolt RAID at the same time, the connecting order makes a difference. If you connect the G-Technology to the computer and the Drobo to the G-Tech, there is about a 25% drop in write speed, and a 10% drop in read speed. The G-Tech did not change speed based upon connection order.

I contacted Drobo about this and they told me: “Per Thunderbolt specifications, Drobo is passing-thru traffic without impedance in your testing, where the G-Tech adds impedance in your findings.” In other words, data is traveling through the Thunderbolt ports of the G-Tech slower than it is through the Drobo. To minimize this speed drop, connect the Drobo directly to the computer.

REAL-WORLD PERFORMANCE

As I was researching this article, I spoke with Mario Blandini, VP of Marketing for Drobo about this. He said: “Overall, Drobo is not going to be faster on streaming (read or write) than other devices in the market. Our newest Drobos are dramatically faster than the prior generations, and fast enough for many to have a great experience using them in their workflow. On pure benchmarking though, Drobo will not be the fastest.”

I agree that the new Drobo is MUCH faster than earlier Drobos, so, rather than asking simply “How fast is the Drobo 5D,” I decided to ask the question a different way: “Is the Drobo 5D fast enough for video editing?”

And here, the answer is yes, with a few qualifications. Let me explain.

First, I decided to see how it would do duplicating clips. In this example, I am duplicating three 31 GB files using the Finder. The Drobo duplicates the files around 110 MB/second, which is about the speed of an internal hard drive on a MacPro. Not bad, not great.

If you are doing regular video editing by dropping clips to the Timeline, the Drobo is plenty fast. At most, you would need 20-30 MB/second of data, so the Drobo has speed to spare. This screen shot illustrates an XDCAM 720p/60 clip playing in the Timeline, with about a jillion edits in it.

In other words, the Drobo can easily handle normal editing.

The REAL challenge becomes multicam editing. In this screen shot, I built an eight-angle, XDCAM 720p/60 multicam Timeline in Final Cut Pro X, and edited the heck out of it.

The data rate is fairly low and the edits were smooth. Zero dropped frames. The Drobo performed perfectly.

This time, I decided to create a ten-camera ProRes 422 720p/60 multicam clip.

NOTE: ProRes 422 is the video format Final Cut Pro X uses when optimizing media during import.

Here, the data rates tripled, but FCP X played everything smoothly, no dropped frames and the Drobo had the speed to support this as well. So, based upon what I saw, for most normal video editing tasks and multicam editing up to about 10 angles, the Drobo 5D should be fine. If you need faster performance, you should consider other gear.

However, I was never able to get performance that ever exceeded 300 MB/second. Perhaps, when all data is stored in the SSD this is possible, but this is not a likely scenario for video editing.

NOTE: One of the reasons Drobo is slower than other RAIDS is that, in order to enable the expansion and flexibility that it is famous for, it can’t use a hardware-based RAID controller. Because the RAID is built in software, pure performance will always be slower than a hardware-based  RAID.

WHAT TOOK DROBO SO LONG?

Earlier today, I spoke with Tom Coughlin, President of Coughlin Associates, a firm that specializes in tracking the storage industry. I asked him why Thunderbolt was so slow in rolling out. Tom told me that it was a case of the industry needing to understand a complex new data protocol.

Also, adding to manufacture’s delays is a Thunderbolt Certification process that requires both Intel and Apple to sign-off on all new storage devices.

I asked Mario Blandini about the certification process and he pointed out that both the 5D and the Drobo Mini are Thunderbolt-certified. “When you are dealing with something as critical as storage, you really need to be sure that the hardware works properly with all the other hardware that’s out there,” he said.

MY RECOMMENDATION

If you are looking for the fastest-possible RAID, the Drobo 5D is not it. However, you only need that speed if you are editing large multicam events with video stored in ProRes format.

If you need to save money, buy three drives. If you want the fastest performance, buy five drives. I was very disappointed with the performance of the unit when only four drives were installed, so avoid this configuration. I also recommend against the 2 drive configuration, which will not have performance sufficient for video editing.

Also, buy the SSD card. In all cases, even for very large files, this improves performance. The price of the system that I tested (remember, I provided my own hard drives) was $849.

If you are looking for a reasonably fast, highly-expandable, Thunderbolt RAID-5, the Drobo 5D is an excellent choice.


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  1. Thanks so much, Larry. I’m one of those my-Mac-Pro-is-five-years-old-when-are-they-going-to-update-it-oh-screw-it-I’m-getting-an-iMac guys. So when the new iMacs came up last week, I jumped. Now comes the storage question–I’ve been debating between the Drobo 5D and the Pegasus, so I’ve been eagerly looking forward to your review. I’ve heard that the Drobo’s speeds aren’t the highest, but I’m heartened by your reporting that in the real world, it’s fast enough. That’s all that really matters (isn’t it?).

    One of my criteria has been finding a drive that spins down. The Pegasus does not; the Drobo does. I can’t stomach a drive spinning in perpetuity, melting ice caps. Plus, even though it’s a small thing, you know how your workflow goes — you want to just start and have your hardware come with you. Inspired to edit… just launch FCP and begin, without switching on the drive, waiting for it to mount, etc.

    So I was wondering if you have any comments about the Drobo’s behavior in this regard. Did “sleeping” work well? Do you have any advice about using that as a work style?

    Also, I was wondering if you had any comments about optimal drive sizes as well as the necessity to get enterprise drives vs. consumer.

    Thanks again for a thorough and thoughtful review.

    • Larry Jordan says:

      Mitchell:

      I don’t know the answer, so I sent your question to the folks at Drobo. I’ll let you know what I find out.

      Larry

    • Larry Jordan says:

      Mitchell:

      The answer from Drobo is that the Drobo Dashboard allows you to control if and when your drives spin down. If you want them to be continuously available, open the Drobo Dashboard, go to Drobo Settings > General and drag the Disk Drive Spindown slider all the way to right – to “Never.”

      For those that want to save energy, you can adjust the drives so they spin down when there is no disk activity after any any period from 15 minutes to 1 day.

      Larry

    • Mike H says:

      I also use a Drobo 5D w/ SSD and 5 2GB drives. I have it set to sleep after 15 minutes. I have it connected to the latest gen iMac 27. It works great. When the iMac sleeps, the Drobo sleeps. When the iMac wakes, the Drobo wakes within about 10 seconds. And the Drobo is mounted, so if I want to use it without the iMac sleeping I just click the mounted drive and it wakes. I have not had any problems in about 6 months of use.

  2. Ron Robinson says:

    Thanks for the great review, Larry! I’ve been looking forward to the release of this device and to your review. Particularly appreciate is your “real-world” analysis.

    Looking forward to greater capacity needs than one 5D is able to accommodate, is it possible/practical/advisable to connect additional 5D units?

    Thanks for this review and your fabulous teaching style and knowledge.

  3. Michael Juhl says:

    Great review Larry! I have been looking at the Drobo but was unsure if it had the speed to do multi-cam editing and am happy to find out that it does for my situation. I do a lot of multi-cam editing but so far, never more than four angles. I also need data protection that Raid 5 provides as well as storage size to hold all of my projects.

    I just ordered a LaCie 6TB Thunderbolt for speed but this solution doesn’t provide the other benefits of the Drobo (redundancy, expandability, etc…). So, it looks like the 5D solves everal problems all in one easy to use device. I will likely return the LaCie and order the Drobo.

    What RPM drives did you use for your review? There are several “green” drives that would work but they run at 5400 vs 7200 RPM. What do you recommend? Also, would a larger SSD card improve performance? Thanks again for the great info!

  4. raphael says:

    dear Larry,

    yes, great review. i just had bought the 5d. with 5×4 tb disks…it was very unclearly indicated at the b&h site concerning the SSD card. i bought a kit and assumed it was in it already cause in the recommended accessory list it wasn’t listed…now after reading your review i realize i still need to get a SSD, so i am also interested—what kind of size would be recommendable?

    kindly
    Raphael

  5. Sven says:

    Thanks for the review Larry!

    I have a 5D on the way and was hoping it would be useful for editing as well as backup. I run a MacPro 2 x 2.26 Quad-Core which doesn’t have Thunderbolt, so I am hoping that the USB 3 PCI card I ordered will give me the throughput I need for basic FCP X editing (no Multicam, simple edits, HDV and H264 footage) and occasional FCP 7 archival projects. I wasn’t too worried until I read your blog post about USB 3 issues. Have you had a chance to test a configuration like this or have any advice to give?

    Thanks!

    M Bye
    Steamboat Ski and Resort

  6. Mike says:

    Awesome help Larry! Much appreciated!
    I too am ordering the new 27″ iMac very soon and I’m trying to get my ducks in a row regarding the RAID I’m going to attach to it. I just got running with FCPX this year (I suspect I found it easier to learn than others did as I had not come from a FCP7 prior mindset) and am pretty much doing single cam editing (though hopefully might do some small scale multi later). I’m trying to decide between the Drobo 5D and the Mini. Have you had any playtime with the Mini yet, and if so, how do you feel it compares for basic/moderate level editing? Thanks!
    -Mike

  7. Larry Souder says:

    I’ve ordered a new iMac 27″ (3.4GHz, 32GB Ram, 768GB Flash and NVIDIA GTX680MX). This will be used primarily for FXPX editing projects. I just read your review on the Drobo 5D, but I am also considering the Promise Pegasus or two 8TB G-Tech Thunderbolt G-Raids. One of the G-Techs would be used for a backup. Reviews by several users of the Pegasus have reported receiving the unit with dead drives or drives that quit working within a short period of time, so I’m concerned about investing my storage needs in it. The G-Tech thunderbolt is not as fast as the Pegasus, but their Firewire Drives I have owned in the past have be reliable for me.

    What are your thoughts about the other two options (G-Raid and Pegasus) as compared to the Drobo 5?

    Looking forward to your comments.

    Thanks,
    Larry S.

    • Larry Jordan says:

      Larry:

      All three – Drobo, G-Tech, and Promise – are good choices. All units run the risk of dead drives, because none of these three companies make their own drives. With all the consolidation in the industry, it is hard to know who has the best drives at the moment.

      * Promise will be the fastest, with data redundancy, but the least flexible regarding expansion.
      * G-Tech will be fast, at the lowest cost, but with no data redundancy. I would choose tis for speed, but not backup.
      * Drobo offers data redundancy with expandability, with speed suitable for most editing tasks.

      Larry

  8. Alex says:

    Thanks for the review Larry.
    Based on this we have ordered a Drobo5D for one of our mobile production units.
    However, we made a totally different experience, especially in terms of customer service.
    While i completely agree you will see the quality of a company by its customer service, this is exactly where Drobo highly disappointed us.
    The unit itself is exactly as you described it, works fine and is fast enough for most editing duties, however it is getting too loud for my personal taste. This is of course just a personal preference.
    The negative experience came though when we contacted Drobo to return the unit. The Drobo 5D was ordered on Dec. 18th and quickly delivered. Since we did not like what we saw (and heard) we contacted Drobo support to return it after 3 days. Until today, Jan 6th they were not able to arrange the return. Instead we are being sent back and forth between customer service, support, sales team and back to customer support.. etc. etc. No one is able to provide us with information on how to return the unit or how a return and refund would and will be handled. It’s like no one cares at all and no one feels responsible.

    Shouldn’t a simple ”i don’t like this product, i would like to return it” be the easiest of all customer service duties?
    Just my 5cents on this rather annoying and still unresolved issue in terms of ‘customer service’. Since you were sponsored by Drobo and have personal contacts there, I doubt you would run into an issue like this. But what about ‘the standard customer’?
    Sorry, this was and still is a very disappointing ride..

  9. Sherwood says:

    I just got my 5D (ssd card on order) I have PC win8/64 and USB 3.0 connection
    I have 3 x 2T red WD and a 1 x 2T Seagate Barracuda
    The max read speed I get is 32 MB/sec which seems very very slow as my USB 3.0 Hard Drive toaster gets 240MB/sec (I swapped USB ports but no change in speed)
    1.26T data used space 23%, 1.86 TB protection, 9.55 GB overhead

    Hope the ssd speeds it up as this is SLOW……

    That’s my real world experience todate

    • Larry Jordan says:

      Sherwood:

      32 MB/sec for the 5D is a DISASTER!!! I could move the bits faster with a tweezers. Please contact Drobo support – there is probably something wrong with the installation or the drivers.

      Larry

      • sherwood says:

        I have 2 ssd to boot from win 7/32 and win 8/64 all drivers/windows up to date.
        Have switched cables and ports and all working fine – just Drobo read speed sucks, and I have lots of data to transfer.

        Right now I’m thinking a couple of USB 3.0 hard drive toasters is cheaper, faster and more redundant.

        Yes I have ticket open with Drobo – awaiting response.

        • Larry Jordan says:

          Sherwood:

          Keep me informed.

          Larry

          • sherwood says:

            Just got my mSATA SSD 128G as website says “fast access to data” then ran another read test which stabilized at 28MB/sec! $#$^@!#!%%@ even slower WTF !!!!
            My Customer experiences is going down the toilet !!!!

            Glad you have a forum for REAL LIFE experiences (The sales hype seems very misleading to my experience)

          • Larry Jordan says:

            Sherwood:

            This is acting like it is connected via USB 2, or using very old drivers. Have you downloaded the latest Drobo Dashboard? Are you connecting the drive via any other device, rather than directly into your computer?

            I agree Drobo is not the fastest device, but I’ve never seen these kind of performance issues that didn’t in some way involve a bad installation.

            larry

  10. Joshua says:

    Great review Larry. I’m a video editor with a 2010 MacPro (2 x 2.4quad core) with no intention of updating my system for the next three or so years. Unfortunately I’m getting to the point where I want to get a RAID system for editing. We don’t do a lot of multicam editing so I don’t need the fastest but until someone comes out with a thunderbolt card I can install what would you recommend? I’ve been looking at the g-technology but I’m not sure if I want to invest $1300 for a raid card and storage for the best RAID-5 performance. Any thoughts?

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